I just read today’s news “Server Core: Windows Without Windows” that can’t help me but shaking my head. No more original ideas from Microsoft? Ouch what happens to you, lads? First it was started when Apple announcing the next generation OS, Mac OS X, then Microsoft “mimics” by announced the XP (X with additional P) and called it XPerience. Ouch. Then, Apple with Tiger 10.4 came with Dashboard and Widget, now Vista got the Windows’ Gadget. It was Apple with Quick-thingy, QuickDraw, QuickDraw 3D, QuickDraw GX, QuickTime, then Microsoft came with ideas of “everything-Direct”… the DirectX, DirectDraw, DirectPlay (ouch). Today’s Apple came with Core-thingy, Core Audio, Core Image, Core Video, and later Core Animation on Leopard (10.5) release, and now Microsoft Server Core. Intel also came along with Apple first with Core thingy.
Of course Microsoft’s thingy would be much more popular than Apple. It consumes 90% plus Desktop OS in the world. But don’t you have anymore originalities dude? Follow my suggestion, “if you’re smart ass marketer and want to work without using too much brain, then work for Microsoft!”
Before I forgot, anyway, Microsoft Server Core is nothing new, it’s like using nliteos, or BartPE… duuh.
October 8th, 2006 at 3:04 am
What else is new? There’s some distinction from being innovative and business-viable. I mean, yes Microsoft copied alot of things from their competitor but ditto for Apple. They are shouting MS steals our GUI! God damnit, Apple steals the GUI from Xerox in the first place.
Apple fanboy just tires me…
LOL, no offence meant, just have to release it somewhere 😀
PS: I’m using an iBook to write this one, so don’t call me a microsoft brat 😛
October 8th, 2006 at 3:51 am
Oskar Syahbana said,
October 8, 2006 @ 3:04 am · Edit
What else is new? There’s some distinction from being innovative and business-viable. I mean, yes Microsoft copied alot of things from their competitor but ditto for Apple. They are shouting MS steals our GUI! God damnit, Apple steals the GUI from Xerox in the first place.
Apple fanboy just tires me…
ANSWER:
Wakakakaka do you think I’m a fan boy? Dude, you don’t know me yet!
I slam Apple as much as I slam everyone else. I just an IT geek who
like to tell the truth.
October 8th, 2006 at 3:54 am
Oscar said:
God damnit, Apple steals the GUI from Xerox in the first place.
ANSWER:
This is also common misunderstanding in history. Apple did not steal Xerox GUI, instead Apple gave Xerox million stocks in return. Do your google before shouting please.
October 8th, 2006 at 8:19 am
Mau Microsoft, mau Apple, yang penting batere-nya dari batnoto.
October 8th, 2006 at 10:02 am
Microsoft Server Core = Microsoft Windows Vista Server ? (Windows NT 6.0 Server Edition)
October 8th, 2006 at 10:02 am
IMW said,
October 8, 2006 @ 8:19 am
Mau Microsoft, mau Apple, yang penting batere-nya dari batnoto.
-> Wakakakaa… 😀
October 9th, 2006 at 3:06 am
> This is also common misunderstanding in history. Apple did not steal Xerox GUI, > instead Apple gave Xerox million stocks in return. Do your google before shouting > please.
Baru tau nih. Dah pernah liat film Pirates of Silicon Valley. Ceritanya awal dari Apple dan MS trus tentang bajak-membajak antara Apple dan MS Juga kehidupan pribadinya Steve Jobs.
October 9th, 2006 at 9:40 am
apapun OS-nya ..kodingnya tetep pussyyiiing :p
October 9th, 2006 at 11:26 pm
Yuda said,
Octoberr 9, 2006 @ 3:06 am
Baru tau nih. Dah pernah liat film Pirates of Silicon Valley. Ceritanya awal dari Apple dan MS trus tentang bajak-membajak antara Apple dan MS Juga kehidupan pribadinya Steve Jobs.
-> Udah boss. 7 tahun yg lalu hahahaha… itu mah film lama.
October 11th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
@Adinoto: sure you can give Xerox a share of the company, but that doesn’t mean GUI is an innovation of Apple. It’s like stealing something and share the credit with the one you stole from.
But again, stealing maybe too strong for a language though… The bottom line is, Apple is copying stuffs from the past too, not just Microsoft.
October 11th, 2006 at 9:51 pm
Oskar Syahbana said,
October 11, 2006 @ 2:01 pm
@Adinoto: sure you can give Xerox a share of the company, but that doesn’t mean GUI is an innovation of Apple. It’s like stealing something and share the credit with the one you stole from.
But again, stealing maybe too strong for a language though… The bottom line is, Apple is copying stuffs from the past too, not just Microsoft.
-> Ah betele-tele nih. Sapa juga bilang GUI is an innovation of Apple. You SAID “God damnit, Apple steals the GUI from Xerox in the first place”. I SAID “This is also common misunderstanding in history. Apple did not steal Xerox GUI, instead Apple gave Xerox million stocks in return. Do your google before shouting please.”
Stealing not a strong word. but God damnit YES. AND YOU GOT IT WRONG. READ MY FIRST LINE BEFORE ARGUE. CAN? Apple gave Xerox millions stocks in return. It was a trade business. and IT IS COMMON MISUNDERSTANDING IN HISTORY.
October 14th, 2006 at 10:56 am
Yes, I already read your reply to my comments and yes I have to apologize for use of strong words. But let’s look again on your own post. The post exactly make Microsoft just like a bunch of guys that constantly copies from Apple while Apple is the single company that goes on innovation front.
Widget? Puhlease, Konfabulator (which is bought by Yahoo) predates Apple’s widget on this one (so no, Apple doesn’t innovate on this one).
QuickDraw, QuickDraw 2D, and QuickDraw GX vs DirectX? I don’t think this is a fair comparation. The Quick-something is a graphic engine (API, whatever) while DirectX is also an engine, but not just a graphic engine (more like multimedia engine) that controls not only graphic experience (2D, 3D) on Windows but also audio experience — which makes Windows a strong gaming ‘console’, not Mac. So saying DirectX is a direct copy of Apple’s Quick-something is really overrated.
And Microsoft never states that “hey our product is very original, please buy it”. They ship people that ordinary Joe can buy and use (not sure this argument is still valid when MacOS X ships). Sure Apple does not steal Xerox GUI and you might say that this is a direct misunderstanding of what is happening but then again, Apple acts like GUI is their invention. Heck, that’s why the open-source community left them in 80s-90s because they sue Microsoft over the originality of MS’s GUI vs Apple’s GUI (in which is won by Microsoft by the way… they can’t have any patents on such things)
Now, if you can’t read between the lines, all of my posts is all about “Apple is not the only company that innovates (sometimes they steal or buy ideas and originality too), Microsoft is not always copying Apple’s product (although they sometimes do that)”.
I have all my facts from these books (besides the internet that is):
http://www.permagnus.com/l/freeforall/
http://www.permagnus.com/l/iconstevejobs/
October 14th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
Oskar Syahbana said,
October 14, 2006 @ 10:56 am · Edit
Yes, I already read your reply to my comments and yes I have to apologize for use of strong words. But let’s look again on your own post. The post exactly make Microsoft just like a bunch of guys that constantly copies from Apple while Apple is the single company that goes on innovation front.
Answers:
Iya. Emang. Cuma yang saya bahas Naming Systemnya. Coding dimana-mana beda boss. Soal naming system cerita paling baru = Istana Plasa (Pengembang di Bandung) juga bikin Suci? *Lupa CORE. Lagi rame-ramenya penggunaan kalimat Core. Istana Plasa CORE = Commercial Resident. Gimmicknya.
Apple is the single company that goes on innovation front? Mostly yes. Kita bicara IT kan? Ga mau melebar ke industri lain kan? Untuk IT ya, Apple termasuk sedikit company yang mau invest di inovasi, terlebih dahulu ketika investasi di R&D kadang bisa merupakan money sucking hole. Sekarang hampir semua company lebih focus ke market orientation. Apple dulu punya Apple Advanced Technology Group, yang menghasilkan ribuan inovasi terdepan. Perusahaan lain adalah Bell Labs (ato biasa disebut Ma Bell… Ma=big mama), perusahaan telcos yang banyak buang duit untuk inovasi. IBM juga merupakan sedikit company yang termasuk gila dalam mengeluarkan budget untuk R&D. Xerox dahulu (bukan sekarang) juga termasuk pemain yang banyak mengeluarkan duit buat R&D. Microsoft? Dulu tidak. Sekarang Microsoft punya Bill Lab. Sun? Dahulu cukup satu orang “Bill” Joy Lab. 🙂
Oscar wrote:
Widget? Puhlease, Konfabulator (which is bought by Yahoo) predates Apple’s widget on this one (so no, Apple doesn’t innovate on this one).
Answer:
Iya, Konfabulator bukan kreasi Apple. Third party developer yang kemudian dibeli Yahoo. Sudah pernah kenal Desk Accessories ga mas? Desk Accessories ada dari Apple IIgs 1980? dan kemudian di System 6, 7 tahun 1984. Widget ga lebih dan comebacknya Desk Accesories.
Oscar wrote:
QuickDraw, QuickDraw 2D, and QuickDraw GX vs DirectX? I don’t think this is a fair comparation. The Quick-something is a graphic engine (API, whatever) while DirectX is also an engine, but not just a graphic engine (more like multimedia engine) that controls not only graphic experience (2D, 3D) on Windows but also audio experience — which makes Windows a strong gaming ‘console’, not Mac. So saying DirectX is a direct copy of Apple’s Quick-something is really overrated.
Answer:
Iya. Direct copy disini = penamaan, ide, dan salah satu dari trade business Microsoft invest 140 juta dollar pada saat Apple jatuh tahun 1997 adalah “Microsoft bersedia memberikan investasi 140 juta dollar cash ke Apple, dengan imbalan saham Apple, dan harus memastikan Microsoft Office for Mac ada 5 tahun kedepan sejak perjanjian kerjasama itu dilakukan (1997), sebagai gantinya Apple harus membuka teknologi QuickTime kepada Microsoft”.
QuickTime adalah satu-satunya teknologi yang dikenal masyarakat luas, sedangkan Quick yang lain terlupakan (kalah ngetop). Dan masyarakat awam mikirnya QuickTime = hanya untuk membuka video. 3gpp (sekarang yang lagi rame), dan atau film-film yang extensionnya .mov ; Salah Apple sendiri Apple ga cukup dinamis untuk menggebrak pasar sehingga pasar tidak mengerti esensi produknya. Tanpa QuickTime, Microsoft Windows bisa jalan; tapi Mac OS tanpa QuickTime ibarat mobil tanpa mesin, karena semua kompresi audio, video, di handling oleh layer QuickTime di level OS.
Soal DirectX di Windows memang lebih ngetop sebagai engine graphics (API) untuk game. di Apple dahulu herannya engine untuk game disebut GameSprocket di Mac OS lama (kenapa ga QuickPlay aja ya) wakakakaka.
Oscar wrote:
And Microsoft never states that “hey our product is very original, please buy itâ€. They ship people that ordinary Joe can buy and use (not sure this argument is still valid when MacOS X ships). Sure Apple does not steal Xerox GUI and you might say that this is a direct misunderstanding of what is happening but then again, Apple acts like GUI is their invention. Heck, that’s why the open-source community left them in 80s-90s because they sue Microsoft over the originality of MS’s GUI vs Apple’s GUI (in which is won by Microsoft by the way… they can’t have any patents on such things)
Answer:
Maksudnya apa nih boss? Sorry inggris saya jelek. Open-source community ga ada hubungannya dengan pembahasan kita Microsoft “copy” naming system Apple dalam konteks pembahasan tulisan saya. Kalo soal mimics (meniru) interface wah tanyakan sendiri pada pengembanga KDE dan Gnome. Belakangan KDE “lebih mirip Windows” dan Gnome “Lebih mirip Mac OS X”.
Oscar wrote:
Now, if you can’t read between the lines, all of my posts is all about “Apple is not the only company that innovates (sometimes they steal or buy ideas and originality too), Microsoft is not always copying Apple’s product (although they sometimes do that)â€.
I have all my facts from these books (besides the internet that is):
http://www.permagnus.com/l/freeforall/
http://www.permagnus.com/l/iconstevejobs/
Answer:
Setuju. Apple is not the only company that innovates. Saya cuma nulis kenapa perusahaan gede hobbynya cuma copy Naming System. Musim CORE semua pake nama CORE, musim duren semua pake nama duren.
Sekarang bisa kita hentikan diskusi tidak produktif ini boss? Kalo jadi thesis, we’re both bisa dapet doctoral degrees untuk bidang ini wakakaka… sayangnya kagak ada titelnya dan kagak ada duitnya, and now 2:48 AM gua lebih baik tidur ato jualan batere kaleee hehehehe…
Thanks for your in depth insight and comments in my blog. Really appreciated.
October 15th, 2006 at 2:04 pm
Hello, Mas Adinoto,
Please don’t take this personally (I really like reading your blog hehehe). I think there’s a big misunderstanding here (and considering my strong language, it’s inevitable — I’m still young and didn’t think that deep yet :P).
See you on Mac Bandung gathering (hopefully I can make it). Ciao!
October 15th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Oskar Syahbana said,
October 15, 2006 @ 2:04 pm
Hello, Mas Adinoto,
Please don’t take this personally (I really like reading your blog hehehe). I think there’s a big misunderstanding here (and considering my strong language, it’s inevitable — I’m still young and didn’t think that deep yet 😛 ).
See you on Mac Bandung gathering (hopefully I can make it). Ciao!
-> I know you’re one of my avid reader. Saya juga kadang baca blog anda. Ok Oskar ditunggu di Bandung yaaaaa… see you soon. 🙂
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