Commenting to Andika’s posting on how fatal can be a BTS having wrong time zone, I agree that certain mission-critical or critical applications require a solid time zone. Though SMS (BTS main services) purposes is for “time-stamp” only, it is plain annoying to have a SMS that have wrong time-stamp, let alone serious identification like fraud or log scan, it will be messed up. For other type of servers that requires synchronization between servers simply like Squid or others would not be executed properly if the time spread (read: err) is too wide. Put NTP (The Network Time Protocol) server in the table. It seems like a simple thing to do but there’s bunch of corporate engineers who don’t know how to setup it properly nor keep that in mind to set it up on the first place.
As for Mac OS X (server and client), since it’s a GUI thing, everything is only a click away. But I notice something bothering my eyes, Apple assumed that Indonesia is only one time zone, and it’s called WIT Jakarta. Check the below pictures:
There’s two serious flaws in this Time Zone:
1. Jakarta should called WIB, it’s “Waktu Indonesia Barat” (Western Indonesia Time Zone).
2. Indonesia is divided into 3 time zones: Waktu Indonesia Barat or WIB (Western Indonesia Time), Waktu Indonesia Tengah or WITA (Central Indonesia Time) and Waktu Indonesia Timur or WIT (Eastern Indonesia Time). WIB can be represent by Jakarta, WITA can be represent by Bali, and WIT can be represent by Jayapura.
Bali is WITA, 8 hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time or GMT same as Singapore, meanwhile WIB minus 1 hour and WIT plus 1 hour.
Well therefore I should assume that Indonesia is not Apple’s primary target for marketing. Since I believe that it will change sometimes soon, the new embrace of Mac generations, I should say Apple should fix this in forthcoming release. I should also blame the government overall for it’s poor marketing promotion. I missed Jop Ave. Ex-tourism minister and also public speaker who speak loud on Indonesia and Bali and welcoming tourism. Overall I missed Suharto’s administration. It certainly a better administration than all the successors. 🙁
September 9th, 2007 at 8:51 am
If I’m not mistaken, this is not apple’s mistake.
As I know, there’re 2 kind of Time Zone code for Western Indonesia Time. The first is WIB (Waktu Indonesia Barat – Bahasa Indonesia for Western Indonesia Time), and the second is WIT (Western Indonesia Time). I think you can easily search in google for that.
What happen is, I think Apple took WIT as reference.
So, this is not about correct or wrong. This is about reference.
just my 2 rupiah
September 9th, 2007 at 9:22 am
WIT = Western Indonesia Time, EIT = Eastern Indonesia Time and there is also CIT.
Funny thing is, if i choose localized Linux:id_ID, the date command result is “Min Sep 9 10:13:16 WIT 2007”.
September 9th, 2007 at 9:43 am
To Fajri:
-> Hmm therefore should we adopt WIT as WIB instead? 😛 hehehe I guess not 😀
September 9th, 2007 at 9:48 am
To Fajri and Toni:
Hmmm could be Fajri is right. I type date in OS X console also resulting “Sun Sep 9 09:45:30 WIT 2007” …. so maybe Apple should add EIT or CIT instead?
September 9th, 2007 at 10:10 am
FreeBSD also has WIT for Jakarta.
Mac OS X based on FreeBSD 5.0?
September 9th, 2007 at 10:26 am
In Solaris, we have :
Asia/Jakarta
Asia/Pontianak
Asia/Jayapura
But the WIT, CIT and EIT are correct also, already seen many other OS and global conference call company using this also. But, usually the CIT is being referred to Dili, Timor Leste instead of Pontianak, Indonesia
September 9th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
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Overall I missed Suharto’s administration. It certainly a better administration than all the successors
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Yup, the word reformation seems a trick to remove Suharto and starting the new Imperialism, just like in Iraq.
The difference is that Iraqi people seems a bit better in fighting with North America Imperium + British Imperium.
http://indoupload.net/files/4413/Video/ashtba.wmv
http://indoupload.net/files/4413/Video/abwate.WMV
September 9th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
AFAIK, mac os x also uses tzdata. see my post about this particular ‘problem’ here: http://priyadi.net/archives/2004/10/09/zona-waktu-indonesia-di-gnu-libc/
September 9th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Eh Pontianak sekarang masuk GMT+7 yah?
September 9th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
# Priyadi Says:
September 9th, 2007 at 1:02 pm e
AFAIK, mac os x also uses tzdata. see my post about this particular ‘problem’ here: http://priyadi.net/archives/2004/10/09/zona-waktu-indonesia-di-gnu-libc/
-> Thanks Pak Pri, it’s very informative! 🙂
September 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
# Dedhi Says:
September 9th, 2007 at 1:31 pm e
Eh Pontianak sekarang masuk GMT+7 yah?
-> Yoi dan dulu Bali = WIB skrg WITA.
September 9th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Wah harus bikin konferensi pers nih. Penemuan baru!
September 10th, 2007 at 12:10 am
Kok aneh ya, gw baru sadar kalo timezone singapore itu sama dengan timezone bali, secara daerahnya lebih dekat ke Sumatera/Jakarta gitu…
September 10th, 2007 at 6:43 am
#13, karena zaman dahoeloe, Zingapore itu partz of Malayzia. Dan Malayzia menerapkan aturan single Time Zone baik yg di Malazan Peninzula maoepoen Borneo (Zabah dan Zerawagh). Zadi mereka orang ikut begitoe. Itu zuga kenapa kita orang di Malayzia dan Zingapura itu masoek kantoor zam zembilan pagi, bukan zam delaphand.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:18 am
This is about national standard vs. international standard. In Indonesia we use “Rp” to abbreviate Rupiah; but there is “IDR” which is internationally recognized abbreviation for Rupiah. (Just as there are RMB and CNY, RM and MYR, S$ and SGD, and so on). Likewise, we can use WIB, WITA and WIT within domestic context, but in international communication, we should say WIT, CIT and EIT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone
There’s a difference between UTC and GMT. In general, timezones refer to UTC instead of GMT. So, WIT (Western Indonesian Time) = UTC+7 (instead of GMT+7).
See also http://time.kim.lipi.go.id/
September 10th, 2007 at 9:18 am
Setuju dengan Mas Fajri. Om noto seharusnya menggelar konprensi pers. Biar cepat jadi seleb (kayak Om RS)…. Kalo udah jadi seleb khan jalan menuju Bandung 1 (D 1) lebih gampang… 🙂
September 10th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Ded, kalo gak salah ada alasan ekonomi-nya tuh. Singapore pake GMT+8 biar jam kerja gak terlalu jauh ama Jepang. Terus biar waktu dibukanya saham sama kayak hongkong.
jadi UUD (Oejang-Oejang-nya duit)
September 10th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
antek suharto ya
September 16th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Menanggapi kenapa Singapura dan Bali sama2 GMT+8, pdhal Singapura lebih dekat ke Sumatera, perlu diingat bahwa time zone tidak HANYA ditentukan secara geografis tetapi juga politis. Contoh paling ekstrim ialah RRC yang memiliki hanya satu time zone, pdhal panjangnya lebih panjang dari Sabang sampai Merauke bahkan sampai Papua New Guinea.
September 21st, 2007 at 10:11 am
Masalah ini memang membingungkan dimata orang indonesia.
Aku rasa kita harus membiasakan bahasa Internasional.
WIB (waktu indonesia barat) = WIT (Western Indonesia Time)
Sedangkan bahasa indonesia sendiri WIT (waktu indonesia timur)
Hahahaha….
Dalam konteks bahasa indonesia kalau gak salah pernah sempat ada tulisan di Televisi 08.00 WIBB
WIBB = Waktu Indonesia Bagian Barat
WIBT = Waktu Indonesia Bagian Timur apa Tengah *bingung*
CMIIW
Mari biasakan diri dengan:
WIT = Western Indonesia Time
CIT = Centre/Central Indonesia Time
EIT = Eastern Indonesia Time
September 28th, 2007 at 11:21 am
scam pisan WIT ~ waktu indonesia timur. sebelum aa’ noto dilantik jadi ceo apple, mari kita nikmati WIT ini …
@chris: BBWI kali -> Bagian Barat Waktu Indonesia
time server enakan pake lokal di 152.118.24.8 aja dah. speedy kantor + xlgprs gue gak ngejar ke id.pool.ntp.org atawa boros2 ke time.asia.apple.com.
mendingan lah daripada query ke time.windows.com … hahahahah …
March 6th, 2015 at 10:23 am
A variety of games, some for the adults and some for the kids are what you need.
Using bed sheets and other household items is an inexpensive way
to make togas. ha-ha) I have had to search for
ways to draw these up.